Conducted by
Jesse Tatum,
Interview Editor of CRIA
CRIA:
With regard to your comparative study of corruption in
Georgia and Armenia, can you explain its different
levels – i.e. where it takes place and in what way – in
society? Whom or what does it affect most? Why?
Stefes:
Let me first
state that my research on corruption in Georgia focused
primarily on the Shevardnadze era. I lived, worked, and
researched in Georgia from February 1998 until June
1999. From what I could gather, under Georgia’s current
president, Mikhail Saak’ashvili, the situation seems to
have improved dramatically. Yet we have to keep in mind
that Georgia started from an extremely low level of
accountability. Under President Shevardnadze, corruption
was the rule rather than the exception throughout the
entire state apparatus, from the bottom to the top, from
a rural police station to the Minister of Interior.
State officials solicited and extorted bribes,
misappropriated state funds, and protected corrupt
colleagues from prosecution. It was truly a “system of
corruption”, taking into account that corrupt activities
were not only widespread but that these activities also
followed numerous informal rules and norms that were
embedded in myriads of networks connecting officials
with each other as well as officials with citizens. It
was generally understood that “lucrative” positions in
the state administration – i.e. those positions that
allowed officials to amass illegal income – were not
given to the most qualified candidates but to relatives
and individuals who paid for getting these jobs.
Moreover, state officials colluded with each other. For
instance, police, prosecutors, and judges shared bribes
from citizens standing trial in return for an acquittal
or a lower sentence. Citizens knew the rules of the game
as well. Anyone who wanted to start a business, get a
passport, avoid a ticket, or receive medical help in a
brutal prison system knew how much (s)he had to bribe.
The situation
in Armenia was very similar. I conducted field research
in Armenia about six years ago. Yet I can state with
some confidence that the situation has not changed much.
Armenia continues to suffer from systemic corruption.
The main difference between Armenia and Shevardnadze’s
Georgia has been the level of government control over
the informal networks of corruption, or what I call the
“centralization” of corruption. In post-Soviet Armenia,
corruption is widespread but the political leadership
has succeeded in keeping corruption within limits. It
has also made sure that these informal networks of
corruption would support the government and not be used
to form a powerful opposition to the government. It has
prevented corruption from discouraging potential
investors. Bribes still need to be paid, but they are
predictable and officials who take the bribes usually
live up to their end of the deal. Unlike Georgia whose
state structures and political authority disintegrated
in the wake of a turbulent post-Soviet transition,
Armenia has seen a less disruptive transition from
Soviet rule, which has allowed Armenia’s post-Soviet
leadership to keep the state structure intact and loyal,
tightly controlling the formal institutions and informal
networks. The weakness of the Georgian state and the
country’s decentralized system of corruption thereby
formed a vicious cycle, which was only stopped and
reversed in the wake of the country’s Rose Revolution in
2003. In contrast, the Armenian government could always
rely on a more coherent and loyal state apparatus.
Systemic
corruption pits citizens who lack resources, such as money
and personal contacts, against the state apparatus. As they
encounter state officials, they will always get the short
end of the stick. Citizens with resources, on the other
hand, might do quite well under conditions of systemic
corruption. In general, the informal institutions of
corruption, such as collusion and clientelism, undermine the
formal institutions of democracy and market economies,
increasing the gap between those who are wealthy and/or
powerful (in corrupt systems this often goes together) and
those who have neither. A centralized system of corruption,
like the Armenian one, might at least moderate the negative
economic consequences of systemic corruption, providing a
somewhat predictable business environment. On the other
hand, the merger of political power and economic resources
in a centralized system of corruption does not bode well for
consolidating democratic rule. It can be a perfect tool for
the government to revert to authoritarian rule. In
Shevardnadze’s Georgia, this merger did not take place,
which provided the opposition with resources, guaranteeing
some degree of political pluralism which eventually
culminated in the demise of the Shevardnadze regime. Yet the
Georgian economy suffered terribly from a system of
corruption that ran out of control.
CRIA: You
have
stated that Armenia suffers from “centralized”
corruption, while Georgia has a more “decentralized” form of
it. Can you briefly define how the respective national
governments can tackle these two forms of corruption, and
what progress (or lack thereof) has been made over the past
two years, especially Saak’ashvili’s campaign in Georgia?
Stefes:
For Armenia, change could come from above – probably, only
from above, taking into account the weakness of Armenia’s
civil society and political opposition. If the political
leadership was ready to fight corruption, it would have the
ability to do so. However, this system of corruption has in
many ways empowered and enriched elected government
officials and top-level bureaucrats. Without outside
prodding, the Armenian leadership has few incentives to
change anything radical in how the government conducts
business. And where should that prodding come from? Most
certainly not from Russia whose control over the Armenian
economy has rapidly increased in recent years mainly through
shady deals. The irony is that it was clearly in
Shevardnadze’s interest to fight corruption, and he
certainly tried, but his leadership was so weak that he
largely failed. Not so his successor Saak’ashvili. By
purging corrupt officials and radically reforming parts of
the state structure (e.g. the police and tax
administration), he dramatically reduced corruption and
increased citizens’ trust in the state. There are still
state agencies that are heavily affected by corruption –
notably the court system – but the Saak’ashvili government
has certainly cleaned up quite a bit in a relatively short
time. The Rose Revolution, which in large ways was motivated
by Georgia’s endemic corruption, provided Saak’ashvili with
the opportunity to tackle corruption head on. In so doing,
Saak’ashvili has not always followed the rule of law. Yet
Georgians have not only tolerated but expected from their
new government that it would attempt to eradicate systemic
corruption no matter what.
CRIA: How
do the two forms of corruption affect centre-periphery
relations, that is, how local-level and national-level
governments work together?
Stefes:
In Georgia, President Shevardnadze experienced an utter
fragmentation of the state apparatus. This fragmentation
included the regional and local administration. He was
forced to strike deals with powerful clans outside the
capital. These deals provided the clans with a free reign as
long as they did not openly oppose the central government
and delivered the votes for the president and his party
through various illicit practices such as vote buying and
the intimidation of opposition candidates. Yet in terms of
formulating and implementing coherent economic, fiscal, and
social policies, the reach of the Shevardnadze government
did not extend beyond Tbilisi. This situation has changed
under President Saak’ashvili who has dramatically limited
the power of peripheral clans, as Julie A. George elaborates
in more detail in her forthcoming book. Concerning the
situation in Armenia, the country’s centralized system of
corruption, which links regional clans to clans tied to the
central government, has helped the political leadership to
exert its authority over the local and regional
administrations. It should also be mentioned that
constitutional changes have increased the formal authority
of the central government over regional and local
administrations. In short, as my colleague Babken Babajanian
convincingly shows in his studies, formal and informal
institutions increase the centre’s leverage over the
periphery in Armenia.
CRIA: Can
you describe any recurrent strains of authoritarianism in
these two countries, especially in light of the past two
years in which both governments harshly repressed public
protests (e.g. Nov. ’07 in Georgia and March ’08 in
Armenia)?
Stefes:
I would argue
that in both countries the turn towards and consolidation of
democratic rule is an uphill battle. I thereby largely
support Steven Fish’s argument.
Super-presidentialism,
a weakly organized and fragmented opposition, and the
adverse impact of authoritarian neighbors – especially,
Russia – have been strong barriers to democratization in
these two countries. Armenia’s authoritarian leadership can
furthermore benefit from a merger of political power and
economic resources, as I mentioned earlier, and it can rely
on a well-trained and loyal coercive apparatus that has
turned out to be a steadfast supporter of the incumbent
government in times of crisis (e.g. in 1996, 2004, and
2008). I believe that Georgia has a better chance to
establish democratic rule. Western countries’ strong
criticism of the Georgian government’s crackdown on peaceful
demonstrators in March 2008 has certainly left an impression
on President Saak’ashvili. Facing a similar situation this
year, he has skillfully let the opposition run out of steam,
abstaining from using force. Unlike the Armenian leadership,
which can rely on Russia for military, diplomatic, and
economic support, Georgia can only turn towards the West for
support. After last year’s war with Russia, Georgia cannot
find any other foreign allies but the US and European
governments and at least the Europeans have at times been
sharply critical of authoritarian tendencies under
Saak’ashvili. Today, I would classify Saak’ashvili’s regime
as semi-democratic; whereas Armenia’s current regime under
President Sargsyan is at best semi-authoritarian or
“competitive authoritarian”, as my colleagues
Steve Levitsky and Lucan Way would call it. I don’t see
that this might change anytime soon.
CRIA:
Finally, regarding your upcoming book, can you talk about
the rhetorical battle between Russia and Georgia?
Stefes:
If we analyze the
rhetorical battle that Russia
and Georgia have fought
before, during, and after the war in 2008, it becomes very
clear that the war was not just fought over the future of
Georgia’s two breakaway regions,
South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Surrounding the active war, a tremendous rhetorical battle
has been fought on all sides. For instance, both Russian and
Georgian government officials have written op-ed pieces for
numerous newspapers (e.g. International Herald Tribune
and The Wall Street Journal), appeared on TV talk
shows (such as CNN), and employed professional PR and legal
firms to spread their messages as widely and as convincingly
as possible. Russian and Georgian governments have thereby
tried to communicate with their own people, with each other,
and with the outside world (especially with the governments
in the United States and in Europe). Recurring references to
international rules and norms are thereby meant to support
specific storylines that legitimize the actions that each
party took during the active war. Yet it is also about
constructing particular narratives that outline specific
understandings of the international system, the role of the
adversaries in this system, and one’s own role in this
system.
Starting with
Russia, the Kremlin has clearly intended to draw a line in
the sand. The Russian government feels betrayed, as all
promises that were given during the 1990s by the West about
respecting Russia’s national security interests have been
subsequently ignored by the Bush
administration. Russia has repeatedly expressed its
worries that international treaties and laws would become
meaningless in a unipolar world that is dominated by the
United States. Of course, comparing Georgia and its
president frequently to Nazi
Germany and Adolf Hitler
has not really helped to mend any fences. For Georgia, on
the other hand, this war has had a deeper meaning, as it has
been primarily fought over Georgia’s sovereignty. This is
not surprising, as Georgia has just emerged as an
independent state from Russia’s colonial empire – otherwise
known as the Soviet Union.
In the 1960s, we saw similar reactions from the government
of newly independent states in Africa and
Asia. And Georgia has had
good reasons to be worried. For instance, Russia has
repeatedly violated Georgia’s airspace for the past ten
years.
Now, what does
this all mean for the international efforts to find peace,
and not just a ceasefire, in the region? First, there seems
to be a preoccupation with finding out which side we should
blame for the outbreak of this war. Who shot first? I don’t
think that this detective work does us any good. After all,
which of the many shots fired counts as the first shot?
There have been skirmishes along the borders for years. The
recent report by the European Union
blames both Russia and Georgia for escalating tensions to a
point where there was almost no way back. It is probably
wise to leave it with that. Instead, the more difficult work
of creating a new security architecture in the region needs
to start as soon as possible. This new security structure
needs to account for Russia’s legitimate political and
economic interests in the region but also has to guarantee
the sovereignty of the successor states of the
Soviet Union. In addition to
these countries, the new security structure needs to include
the European Union and its member states as well as the
United States. Frankly, I don’t know if we can achieve this
kind of structure anytime soon. I am particularly worried
about the uncompromising leaderships in Tbilisi and
Moscow. However, it is also
clear that in this part of the world, we need a lot more
cooperation and confidence-building measures. Otherwise, we
will see a resumption of violent hostilities not only in
South Ossetia and Abkhazia but also in
Nagorno-Karabakh, which
could essentially mean that the entire
South Caucasus goes up in
flames.